Advacement to E-2

NavyGamecock · 03-10-2014, 05:07 AM

Is it a for sure advancement to E-2 during boot camp if your complete the following requirements?

1. Score higher then the minimums on the first PFA (and assuming if you pass the first one you will be able to pass the rest of the PT test given.)

2. Pass the first start guide test (what about the second and third test I've heard about?)

Please only answer if you know from experience and are not going off what you've been told.

NavyGamecock · 03-10-2014, 05:32 AM

Ok so I got this from http://www.navycs.com/navy-advanced-paygrade.html

Completion of DEP Guide Personal Qualification Standards (PQS) & Initial Fitness Assessment (IFA)
If you successfully complete the DEP GUIDE PQS, pass a written test at Recruit Training Command (RTC), and pass PT-Baseline with a SAT-MED will be advanced to E2 effective from their Active Duty Service Date (ADSD). Completion of your DEP GUIDE PQS will be confirmed and documented by the Classifier at MEPS.

What are the SAT-MED lines for a 26 year old male.

LT Guppy · 03-10-2014, 05:57 AM

There no longer is Sat-medium, just Sat.

43 sit ups
34 push ups
14:00 1.5 mile run

Cmann318 · 03-10-2014, 09:47 AM

Yea all you have to do is pass the first PT test and pass the dep test they give you like the first week. I was advanced to e2 this way. It's the best and easiest way to get more money in your pocket. The dep test is super easy and if you come into boot camp in any kind of shape you'll pass the first pfa. Good luck.

bronxCTM · 03-10-2014, 11:33 PM

Yep, it is true...I got advanced to E2 this way. I was surprised by all the E1s that did NOT get promoted this way...I think of it as if you do a little homework (study) and get in a little shape before boot camp...you have a $2200 bonus (rough estimate of difference in pay between E2 and E1 over 9 months)....

It's a really big jump...an E1 under 4 months only makes a little over $1400/m (over 4 months is like $1493) while an E2 makes $1700/month. You want this!

Only like 12 people got promoted this way in my division out of like 50-60 E1s.

NavyGamecock · 03-11-2014, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by bronxCTM

Yep, it is true...I got advanced to E2 this way. I was surprised by all the E1s that did NOT get promoted this way...I think of it as if you do a little homework (study) and get in a little shape before boot camp...you have a $2200 bonus (rough estimate of difference in pay between E2 and E1 over 9 months)....

It's a really big jump...an E1 under 4 months only makes a little over $1400/m (over 4 months is like $1493) while an E2 makes $1700/month. You want this!

Only like 12 people got promoted this way in my division out of like 50-60 E1s.

What would cause someone not to be promoted to e-2 if they passed both the written and physical test??

or are you saying that you're suprised by the e-1's that did not take advantage of this and make the effort to study/be in shape.

I honestly would feel robbed if I passed the written and physical test but was not able to be advanced for some reason.

USNsailorJC · 03-11-2014, 05:02 AM

Do you have to have your start guide signed off to qualify for the advacement? I was told by my recruiter that I don't have to, just pass the first dep test and pt and ill be good to go. Is this true? So if I pass both pt and written test without getting start guide signed off will I still advance?

FutureND · 03-11-2014, 07:13 AM

My start guide was never looked at, they made everyone that had one with then throw it away at the airport at ohare before even getting on the buses to go to RTC. Still got advanced, as did many in my division.

USNsailorJC · 03-11-2014, 10:48 AM

Lol that's funny I've been bugging my recruiter about signing it, and they make you throw it out. Well now that I know I won't bother him anymore

another thing how was the dep test? Did it cover naval history at all and did you have to know the whole list of chain of command in order? Also what week do you take the first pt test for advancement? Sorry for all the questions I'm just trying to be VERY prepared.

Chris300zx6 · 03-11-2014, 01:33 PM

Is that the new 1.5 mile time? I thought it was 12:15? Awesome, when did this change. Or is that for a specific age group

13Point1Heiress · 03-11-2014, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris300zx6

Is that the new 1.5 mile time? I thought it was 12:15? Awesome, when did this change. Or is that for a specific age group

Specific age group

Chris300zx6 · 03-11-2014, 01:37 PM

Sweet ill be 26 by the time i get to ship out. (Birthday may 12th) I was working on getting my time under 12. Good to know i have a few minutes extra

bronxCTM · 03-11-2014, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NavyGamecock

What would cause someone not to be promoted to e-2 if they passed both the written and physical test??

or are you saying that you're suprised by the e-1's that did not take advantage of this and make the effort to study/be in shape.

I honestly would feel robbed if I passed the written and physical test but was not able to be advanced for some reason.

I am saying I was surprised by all the E-1s that did not take advantage of this.

And your recruiter does some paperwork for this--he signs a piece of paper for each of those 11 or 13 or however many blocks of "things you should know before boot camp" and it goes into your file.

I was in p-days for just under two weeks and our dep advancemnt test was like on P-3 day (It was the 3rd day of the week after our p-hold week). The Baseline PFA for me was run on 1-2 day.

BubbaGumps64 · 03-11-2014, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris300zx6

Sweet ill be 26 by the time i get to ship out. (Birthday may 12th) I was working on getting my time under 12. Good to know i have a few minutes extra

For older recruits more time is given for the run and less push ups and sit ups are required to pass compared to those who are younger.

These are the standards for your age group:
http://www.navy-prt.com/malestandard/25-29.html

NavyGamecock · 03-14-2014, 09:30 PM

When do you find out if you're advance to e-2 by completing the above?

FutureND · 03-14-2014, 09:56 PM

They will tell you towards the end of bootcamp.

NavyGamecock · 03-19-2014, 05:07 AM

For the PFA part of the advancement, what scoreline do you have to fall under or do you just have to get better than Satisfactory. Ive gotten multiple answers to this question and would really like to know the RIGHT answer so I will know where I need to be physically before going in. So pretty much do I need to score Good, Excellent, Outstanding, Max????

jzhaun · 03-19-2014, 08:22 AM

The requirement is that you pass. A "pass" is a satisfactory or better.

LT Guppy · 03-19-2014, 10:19 AM

A Sat score will suffice. However, at some commands, if you get a Sat score, you will be placed in FEP, and be required to go to command PT before or after work until you can pass with at least a Good.

racer25 · 03-19-2014, 10:25 AM

Okay if one were to be promoted to e-2 this way is it possible to make e-3?

jzhaun · 03-19-2014, 12:33 PM

No. PQS only goes to E-2. There are other methods (recruiting other sailors, being an Eagle Scout, college credits, RDC selection etc) that can take you to E-3 though.

FutureND · 03-19-2014, 12:50 PM

You can get e2 by passing your test and initial pfa then be meritoriously advanced to e3 by your rdc if they feel you deserve it. We had 5 people advanced by our rdc's.

Haasino · 03-19-2014, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NavyGamecock

For the PFA part of the advancement, what scoreline do you have to fall under or do you just have to get better than Satisfactory. Ive gotten multiple answers to this question and would really like to know the RIGHT answer so I will know where I need to be physically before going in. So pretty much do I need to score Good, Excellent, Outstanding, Max????

Quote:

Originally Posted by jzhaun

The requirement is that you pass. A "pass" is a satisfactory or better.

^ This... however, your initial PFA is going to be done at 0430 or 0530, after at least a week of no exercise, and likely right in the middle of the inevitable illness you're going to catch during P-Days. So, if you show up at RTC only able to make Satisfactory scores, you're probably not going to pass your initial PFA... you need to give yourself room for error.

Maahs · 03-28-2014, 10:59 PM

If I'm going coming in as an E-3 (thanks to already having a degree) does passing the dep PQS and fitness the first time make a difference to pay during boot?

FutureND · 03-29-2014, 12:08 AM

No, you will get e3 pay from day 1.

Charlize · 04-25-2014, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haasino

^ This... however, your initial PFA is going to be done at 0430 or 0530, after at least a week of no exercise, and likely right in the middle of the inevitable illness you're going to catch during P-Days. So, if you show up at RTC only able to make Satisfactory scores, you're probably not going to pass your initial PFA... you need to give yourself room for error.

It wasn't had at all. I did not exercise before BC at all and passed my PFA. I did not study my DEP guide except for the sailor's creed and 11 general orders. I wish i did study more. Got promoted anyway.

Things to know:
Rank recognition.
11 General Orders
Navy slang.

These things are expected to be known perfectly. And yes, chain of command.

Maybe somebody will fill me out since it was almost a year ago.

03-10-2014, 05:07 AM	#1
NavyGamecock Newbie Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 17 Rep Power: 0	Advacement to E-2 Is it a for sure advancement to E-2 during boot camp if your complete the following requirements? 1. Score higher then the minimums on the first PFA (and assuming if you pass the first one you will be able to pass the rest of the PT test given.) 2. Pass the first start guide test (what about the second and third test I've heard about?) Please only answer if you know from experience and are not going off what you've been told.

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03-10-2014, 05:32 AM	#2
NavyGamecock Newbie Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 17 Rep Power: 0	Ok so I got this from http://www.navycs.com/navy-advanced-paygrade.html Completion of DEP Guide Personal Qualification Standards (PQS) & Initial Fitness Assessment (IFA) If you successfully complete the DEP GUIDE PQS, pass a written test at Recruit Training Command (RTC), and pass PT-Baseline with a SAT-MED will be advanced to E2 effective from their Active Duty Service Date (ADSD). Completion of your DEP GUIDE PQS will be confirmed and documented by the Classifier at MEPS. What are the SAT-MED lines for a 26 year old male.

03-10-2014, 05:57 AM	#3
LT Guppy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,858 Rep Power: 0	There no longer is Sat-medium, just Sat. 43 sit ups 34 push ups 14:00 1.5 mile run

03-10-2014, 09:47 AM	#4
Cmann318 Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Bossier City, La Posts: 84 Rep Power: 0	Yea all you have to do is pass the first PT test and pass the dep test they give you like the first week. I was advanced to e2 this way. It's the best and easiest way to get more money in your pocket. The dep test is super easy and if you come into boot camp in any kind of shape you'll pass the first pfa. Good luck.

03-10-2014, 11:33 PM	#5
bronxCTM Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 196 Rep Power: 0	Yep, it is true...I got advanced to E2 this way. I was surprised by all the E1s that did NOT get promoted this way...I think of it as if you do a little homework (study) and get in a little shape before boot camp...you have a $2200 bonus (rough estimate of difference in pay between E2 and E1 over 9 months).... It's a really big jump...an E1 under 4 months only makes a little over $1400/m (over 4 months is like $1493) while an E2 makes $1700/month. You want this! Only like 12 people got promoted this way in my division out of like 50-60 E1s.

03-11-2014, 05:02 AM	#7
USNsailorJC Newbie Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	Do you have to have your start guide signed off to qualify for the advacement? I was told by my recruiter that I don't have to, just pass the first dep test and pt and ill be good to go. Is this true? So if I pass both pt and written test without getting start guide signed off will I still advance?

03-11-2014, 07:13 AM	#8
FutureND Active Duty Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: California Posts: 756 Rep Power: 0	My start guide was never looked at, they made everyone that had one with then throw it away at the airport at ohare before even getting on the buses to go to RTC. Still got advanced, as did many in my division.

03-11-2014, 10:48 AM	#9
USNsailorJC Newbie Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	Lol that's funny I've been bugging my recruiter about signing it, and they make you throw it out. Well now that I know I won't bother him anymore another thing how was the dep test? Did it cover naval history at all and did you have to know the whole list of chain of command in order? Also what week do you take the first pt test for advancement? Sorry for all the questions I'm just trying to be VERY prepared.

03-11-2014, 01:33 PM	#10
Chris300zx6 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Lake Elsinore, Ca Posts: 108 Rep Power: 0	Is that the new 1.5 mile time? I thought it was 12:15? Awesome, when did this change. Or is that for a specific age group

03-11-2014, 01:37 PM	#12
Chris300zx6 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Lake Elsinore, Ca Posts: 108 Rep Power: 0	Sweet ill be 26 by the time i get to ship out. (Birthday may 12th) I was working on getting my time under 12. Good to know i have a few minutes extra

03-14-2014, 09:30 PM	#15
NavyGamecock Newbie Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 17 Rep Power: 0	When do you find out if you're advance to e-2 by completing the above?

03-14-2014, 09:56 PM	#16
FutureND Active Duty Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: California Posts: 756 Rep Power: 0	They will tell you towards the end of bootcamp.

03-19-2014, 05:07 AM	#17
NavyGamecock Newbie Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 17 Rep Power: 0	For the PFA part of the advancement, what scoreline do you have to fall under or do you just have to get better than Satisfactory. Ive gotten multiple answers to this question and would really like to know the RIGHT answer so I will know where I need to be physically before going in. So pretty much do I need to score Good, Excellent, Outstanding, Max????

03-19-2014, 08:22 AM	#18
jzhaun Active Duty Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 627 Rep Power: 0	The requirement is that you pass. A "pass" is a satisfactory or better.

03-19-2014, 10:19 AM	#19
LT Guppy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,858 Rep Power: 0	A Sat score will suffice. However, at some commands, if you get a Sat score, you will be placed in FEP, and be required to go to command PT before or after work until you can pass with at least a Good.

03-19-2014, 10:25 AM	#20
racer25 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	Okay if one were to be promoted to e-2 this way is it possible to make e-3?

03-19-2014, 12:33 PM	#21
jzhaun Active Duty Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 627 Rep Power: 0	No. PQS only goes to E-2. There are other methods (recruiting other sailors, being an Eagle Scout, college credits, RDC selection etc) that can take you to E-3 though.

03-19-2014, 12:50 PM	#22
FutureND Active Duty Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: California Posts: 756 Rep Power: 0	You can get e2 by passing your test and initial pfa then be meritoriously advanced to e3 by your rdc if they feel you deserve it. We had 5 people advanced by our rdc's.

03-28-2014, 10:59 PM	#24
Maahs Newbie Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	If I'm going coming in as an E-3 (thanks to already having a degree) does passing the dep PQS and fitness the first time make a difference to pay during boot?

03-29-2014, 12:08 AM	#25
FutureND Active Duty Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: California Posts: 756 Rep Power: 0	No, you will get e3 pay from day 1.