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[peanutbutter]

is it possible for someone with a moral waiver to get a DAR approved for a CT or IS rating?

[FlyNavy]

Originally Posted by peanutbutter

is it possible for someone with a moral waiver to get a DAR approved for a CT or IS rating?

Anything that shows poor moral judgement will normally disqualify you from access to classified material, especially at the TS//SCI level. So most likely CT or IS is not a path that will be open to you if you're enlisting with a moral waiver.

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[Haasino]

I've mentioned it a few times in other threads, but I personally work with people who have prior criminal records ranging from DUI and teenage shoplifting convictions, to one guy on my crew with a felony receiving stolen property arrest (Plead out as a misdemeanor)... and all have Secret to TS/SCI clearances. It seems to come down to frequency and time since offense. One screw-up in your teens... with several years of productive behavior since... doesn't seem to be a disqualifier when determining clearance eligibility.

I myself have my teenage delinquency blemish... my investigator for my SSBI spent more time asking about my prior advisory work in the movie industry than he did about my record.

[FlyNavy]

Originally Posted by Haasino

I've mentioned it a few times in other threads, but I personally work with people who have prior criminal records ranging from DUI and teenage shoplifting convictions, to one guy on my crew with a felony receiving stolen property arrest (Plead out as a misdemeanor)... and all have Secret to TS/SCI clearances. It seems to come down to frequency and time since offense. One screw-up in your teens... with several years of productive behavior since... doesn't seem to be a disqualifier when determining clearance eligibility.

I myself have my teenage delinquency blemish... my investigator for my SSBI spent more time asking about my prior advisory work in the movie industry than he did about my record.

I would take that with a grain of salt, Hass.
Keep in mind that by needing a moral waiver, that means this individual would have been ineligible for military service without that waiver. That's something that DONCAF is going to see.

Getting a SECRET clearance might be doable, but in most cases TS//SCI is a much more difficult thing to get when you have a record. Like you said, it does depend on the specific offense, where, and when it was committed. But by all accounts having a police record, especially one requiring a waiver, is not a favorable thing when applying for clearance, let alone when going into the SIGINT realm.

Is it possible, sure. But it all depends on what it was and if DONCAF feels that it shows moral turpitude.

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[Haasino]

I only speak with confidence on the guy with the felony arrest/misd. theft conviction because I helped him complete his e-QIP, and later saw his granted TS/SCI when we both had our access checked through JPAS. I needed a moral waiver to join as well... didn't disqualify me. Now, we both joined into a Program that initially required a Secret, and was upgraded down the line... would it have been a different story had we been trying for a community with a TS needed right out the gate? Quite possibly...

Also, in my case it had been close to a decade since being a dumb teenager... in my buddy's case, close to 15 years... so the situation will obviously be different for the 18 year-old trying to get a clearance with a record from 2-3 years prior.

[peanutbutter]

would it make a difference if i was never charged with anything? when i was a teen, i paid a restitution fee and the place never charged me and dont have anything on my record

[FlyNavy]

Originally Posted by peanutbutter

would it make a difference if i was never charged with anything? when i was a teen, i paid a restitution fee and the place never charged me and dont have anything on my record

If you don't have anything on your record then yes you would still have a chance at going CT/IS. Everything is on a case by case basis thought. Just be upfront with everything that you're asked and see how it goes!

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